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		<title>By: Karl Gilis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Gilis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 12:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Rowan

On what research are your assumptions based?

1. Even on a blog the content that&#039;s visible without scrolling has a big influence. We recently did a lot of testing around this topic. When a blog article sttarts with some kind of bulleted list or executive summary, more people will scroll and reac the end of the article.

2. Look at any eyetraking research of Google result pages and you&#039;ll see that the top 3 results account for 80% of the viewing.

So yes, the page fold exists. And the content above the fold will influance the incognitive decision wheater you&#039;ll scroll or leave the page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Rowan</p>
<p>On what research are your assumptions based?</p>
<p>1. Even on a blog the content that&#8217;s visible without scrolling has a big influence. We recently did a lot of testing around this topic. When a blog article sttarts with some kind of bulleted list or executive summary, more people will scroll and reac the end of the article.</p>
<p>2. Look at any eyetraking research of Google result pages and you&#8217;ll see that the top 3 results account for 80% of the viewing.</p>
<p>So yes, the page fold exists. And the content above the fold will influance the incognitive decision wheater you&#8217;ll scroll or leave the page.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 20:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; In other words, what’s above the fold impacts the decision whether to view what’s below the fold.

No, that&#039;s not true. Many people will visit a site knowing, before having seen *any* of its content, that they will scroll. Example: visiting any blog which typically has good comment threads. Another example: GOOG search.

It&#039;s also misleading to characterizing scrolling as a decision as a decision; it&#039;s not a decision, it&#039;s an instinctual reaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; In other words, what’s above the fold impacts the decision whether to view what’s below the fold.</p>
<p>No, that&#8217;s not true. Many people will visit a site knowing, before having seen *any* of its content, that they will scroll. Example: visiting any blog which typically has good comment threads. Another example: GOOG search.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also misleading to characterizing scrolling as a decision as a decision; it&#8217;s not a decision, it&#8217;s an instinctual reaction.</p>
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		<title>By: 10 most popular usability articles in 2009 &#124; Uxable</title>
		<link>http://webusability-blog.com/page-fold-myth-or-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-5518</link>
		<dc:creator>10 most popular usability articles in 2009 &#124; Uxable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 21:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Page fold: myth or reality A hot topic if ever there was one. Is the page fold a myth? Do or don’t people scroll? Everything you’ve always wanted to know about the page fold and page length. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Els Aerts</title>
		<link>http://webusability-blog.com/page-fold-myth-or-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-5470</link>
		<dc:creator>Els Aerts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 11:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ken Through user research. Because experts don&#039;t know everything, not even usability experts: http://webusability-blog.com/experts-dont-know-everythin/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ken Through user research. Because experts don&#8217;t know everything, not even usability experts: <a href="http://webusability-blog.com/experts-dont-know-everythin/" rel="nofollow">http://webusability-blog.com/experts-dont-know-everythin/</a></p>
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		<title>By: ken the tech</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken the tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 18:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very interesting article about web usability. To be honest I don&#039;t remember in the last months to get so much into this mood of reading a blog article from A to Z.

for me this article is clear about one thing, the important things should be in that 5XXpx, how can we know what is important and what isn&#039;t?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very interesting article about web usability. To be honest I don&#8217;t remember in the last months to get so much into this mood of reading a blog article from A to Z.</p>
<p>for me this article is clear about one thing, the important things should be in that 5XXpx, how can we know what is important and what isn&#8217;t?</p>
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		<title>By: 10 most popular usability articles in 2009 - The Web Usability Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>10 most popular usability articles in 2009 - The Web Usability Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Homepage focus: Google - The Web Usability Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Homepage focus: Google - The Web Usability Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: /dev/tty: The Myth of the Page Fold (Web Development)</title>
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		<dc:creator>/dev/tty: The Myth of the Page Fold (Web Development)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: RAGHAVENDRA MAHENDRAKAR</title>
		<link>http://webusability-blog.com/page-fold-myth-or-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-1820</link>
		<dc:creator>RAGHAVENDRA MAHENDRAKAR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Page fold is do very important role in the designing. When we are focusing on the main content, that holds the user for a time. But when it&#039;s coming to the new technology like web 2.0+, i consider that page fold is not required.

I agree with the Jakob Nielsen comments.

(For a first-time visit. On subsequent visits, the user *may* remember lower parts of the page from previous visits. But note the table on page 47 of “Prioritizing Web Usability” showing that users scroll much less on later visits than during first visits to a given page.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Page fold is do very important role in the designing. When we are focusing on the main content, that holds the user for a time. But when it&#8217;s coming to the new technology like web 2.0+, i consider that page fold is not required.</p>
<p>I agree with the Jakob Nielsen comments.</p>
<p>(For a first-time visit. On subsequent visits, the user *may* remember lower parts of the page from previous visits. But note the table on page 47 of “Prioritizing Web Usability” showing that users scroll much less on later visits than during first visits to a given page.)</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie@CookingSharp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie@CookingSharp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s possible even for a big company to go too far.  I think Amazon is cramming way too much into their detail pages - I have trouble finding the information and reviews for the book I&#039;m looking at.

I notice two extremes in smaller sites. Some fill the top half with pretty graphics, and some fill the screen with multiple columns of information.  I&#039;m annoyed by both!  I want to see information immediately, but not more than two columns.  It&#039;s hard to track between multiple columns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s possible even for a big company to go too far.  I think Amazon is cramming way too much into their detail pages &#8211; I have trouble finding the information and reviews for the book I&#8217;m looking at.</p>
<p>I notice two extremes in smaller sites. Some fill the top half with pretty graphics, and some fill the screen with multiple columns of information.  I&#8217;m annoyed by both!  I want to see information immediately, but not more than two columns.  It&#8217;s hard to track between multiple columns.</p>
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		<title>By: Els Aerts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Els Aerts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Toon The page fold is not a myth. You might not like the name page fold because it reminds you too much of paper. Fine by me. Let&#039;s call it scroll line. Heck, let&#039;s call it Sandy. The point is: it exists.  

I&#039;m not trying to transpose experience with newspaper design onto the web. There is a certain line on a web page (Did I say page? Damn, that sounds like paper too!) below which people don&#039;t see the content unless they scroll. This is a fact.

As for the headline: &#039;The Myth of the Page Fold&#039;? I personally think it was a poor choice. Sure, headlines can be thought-provoking. But they should never be downright misleading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Toon The page fold is not a myth. You might not like the name page fold because it reminds you too much of paper. Fine by me. Let&#8217;s call it scroll line. Heck, let&#8217;s call it Sandy. The point is: it exists.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to transpose experience with newspaper design onto the web. There is a certain line on a web page (Did I say page? Damn, that sounds like paper too!) below which people don&#8217;t see the content unless they scroll. This is a fact.</p>
<p>As for the headline: &#8216;The Myth of the Page Fold&#8217;? I personally think it was a poor choice. Sure, headlines can be thought-provoking. But they should never be downright misleading.</p>
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		<title>By: Toon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Els Well, you started it by saying the page fold is *not* a myth ;-)
It is a myth, in the sense that you can&#039;t just transpose experience with newspaper design onto the web. People tend to do that too often, transposing &#039;rules&#039; from other areas of graphic design onto the web. Sometimes, a powerful and sensationalist headline is needed to wake everybody up, even if it isn&#039;t 100% correct.
To summarise: I&#039;d suggest to use analogies from other design areas very cautiously. Confusion arises easily, and before you know it a myth is born.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Els Well, you started it by saying the page fold is *not* a myth <img src='http://webusability-blog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
It is a myth, in the sense that you can&#8217;t just transpose experience with newspaper design onto the web. People tend to do that too often, transposing &#8216;rules&#8217; from other areas of graphic design onto the web. Sometimes, a powerful and sensationalist headline is needed to wake everybody up, even if it isn&#8217;t 100% correct.<br />
To summarise: I&#8217;d suggest to use analogies from other design areas very cautiously. Confusion arises easily, and before you know it a myth is born.</p>
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		<title>By: Els Aerts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Els Aerts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Toon and @Tom: Where do you get the idea that we propose to cram everything above the page fold? All we&#039;re saying is: the page fold is not a myth, it&#039;s a reality. People will scroll but only if you give them good reason to. The content you put above the page fold has a lot to do with whether users scroll or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Toon and @Tom: Where do you get the idea that we propose to cram everything above the page fold? All we&#8217;re saying is: the page fold is not a myth, it&#8217;s a reality. People will scroll but only if you give them good reason to. The content you put above the page fold has a lot to do with whether users scroll or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Hermans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Hermans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article and I agree with Toon&#039;s opinion.. When cramming everything in the top 550pixels, the page becomes also less &quot;usable&quot; because there&#039;s too much clutter etc..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article and I agree with Toon&#8217;s opinion.. When cramming everything in the top 550pixels, the page becomes also less &#8220;usable&#8221; because there&#8217;s too much clutter etc..</p>
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		<title>By: Toon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 08:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The page fold is most definitely a &#039;myth&#039; if it is used as a direct analogue to the newspaper (front) page fold, which it often is.
There&#039;s absolutely no point in cramming everything into the top 550 pixels of a page. Yet this is what happens when marketing managers, product managers and misguided designers start to assume that it&#039;s as hard to scroll down on a web page than to look at the lower half of the front page of a newspaper on a newsstand.
That, and only that, is &#039;the myth of the page fold&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The page fold is most definitely a &#8216;myth&#8217; if it is used as a direct analogue to the newspaper (front) page fold, which it often is.<br />
There&#8217;s absolutely no point in cramming everything into the top 550 pixels of a page. Yet this is what happens when marketing managers, product managers and misguided designers start to assume that it&#8217;s as hard to scroll down on a web page than to look at the lower half of the front page of a newspaper on a newsstand.<br />
That, and only that, is &#8216;the myth of the page fold&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Gilis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Gilis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 07:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Impressed Jakob is reading this)

Anyway, there&#039;s also a lot of discussion going on about this topic at 2 threads we&#039;ve started on the topic in these LinkedIn Groups:

- &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers&amp;discussionID=8691740&amp;gid=72842&amp;commentID=7642324&amp;trk=view_disc&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;User Experience Group&lt;/a&gt;

- &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers&amp;discussionID=8691764&amp;gid=112915&amp;commentID=7647184&amp;trk=view_disc&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;User Experience Professionals Network&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Impressed Jakob is reading this)</p>
<p>Anyway, there&#8217;s also a lot of discussion going on about this topic at 2 threads we&#8217;ve started on the topic in these LinkedIn Groups:</p>
<p>- <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers&amp;discussionID=8691740&amp;gid=72842&amp;commentID=7642324&amp;trk=view_disc" rel="nofollow">User Experience Group</a></p>
<p>- <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers&amp;discussionID=8691764&amp;gid=112915&amp;commentID=7647184&amp;trk=view_disc" rel="nofollow">User Experience Professionals Network</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jakob Nielsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jakob Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s pretty ridiculous to call something a myth when it provably exists. Load any long page, and you&#039;ll have a fold. For example this very article: only the top part was initially visible even when viewed in a full-screen window on a 30-inch monitor.

The concept of the fold simply says that some parts of a long page will be initially visible whereas other parts will only become visible after some action on the part of the user (i.e., to scroll). And depending on how much the user scrolls, more or less of the initially invisible part may be revealed.

As you say, there&#039;s plenty of empirical evidence that users sometimes scroll and sometimes don&#039;t. But the key point is that the decision as to whether to reveal more logically has to be made *before* the user takes the step to view the additional parts of the page. This again means that the initially-viewable part of the page has to provide sufficient information scent to convince the user to take this step.

In other words, what&#039;s above the fold impacts the decision whether to view what&#039;s below the fold.

(For a first-time visit. On subsequent visits, the user *may* remember lower parts of the page from previous visits. But note the table on page 47 of &quot;Prioritizing Web Usability&quot; showing that users scroll much less on later visits than during first visits to a given page.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s pretty ridiculous to call something a myth when it provably exists. Load any long page, and you&#8217;ll have a fold. For example this very article: only the top part was initially visible even when viewed in a full-screen window on a 30-inch monitor.</p>
<p>The concept of the fold simply says that some parts of a long page will be initially visible whereas other parts will only become visible after some action on the part of the user (i.e., to scroll). And depending on how much the user scrolls, more or less of the initially invisible part may be revealed.</p>
<p>As you say, there&#8217;s plenty of empirical evidence that users sometimes scroll and sometimes don&#8217;t. But the key point is that the decision as to whether to reveal more logically has to be made *before* the user takes the step to view the additional parts of the page. This again means that the initially-viewable part of the page has to provide sufficient information scent to convince the user to take this step.</p>
<p>In other words, what&#8217;s above the fold impacts the decision whether to view what&#8217;s below the fold.</p>
<p>(For a first-time visit. On subsequent visits, the user *may* remember lower parts of the page from previous visits. But note the table on page 47 of &#8220;Prioritizing Web Usability&#8221; showing that users scroll much less on later visits than during first visits to a given page.)</p>
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		<title>By: dirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>dirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nicely balanced article with nuance indeed. like this approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nicely balanced article with nuance indeed. like this approach.</p>
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